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 作者  dk40 (飛機上有猴)                                      看板  Gossiping 
 標題  [爆卦] 關於遠雄大巨的預算和合約                                        
 時間  Wed Jan 14 19:20:23 2015                                               
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松山菸廠是怎麼變成大巨蛋的呢?

先回顧這顆巨蛋的選址歷史

 在1991年的中職冠軍賽,郝龍斌的爸爸,郝杯杯到比賽現場,聽到球迷大聲呼喊我要大巨
蛋,因此中央立刻指示當時台北市長黃大洲,想辦法在台北下一顆蛋,所以一開始巨蛋計畫
是要用來打職棒.
原本大巨蛋的預定地有好幾處,包含關渡平原中山足球場市立體育館松山菸廠

初期評估關渡平原是不錯的場地,原本內政部核准可以開始可以在關渡徵收90.8公頃,也許
是風聲傳得太快,關渡平原的土地被財團和投機客炒到500億元(台灣人阿),還有當年預
算也沒在市議會通過,因為地被炒翻天,又有生態環境問題,因此大巨蛋宣告撤案

1995年阿扁市長期間內,原本的是想把巨蛋蓋在,中山足球場,但後來實地考察,中山足球
場腹地太小,加上又有航高限制,松山機場飛機起降會有噪音問題,因此中山足球場大巨蛋
計畫GG

而市立體育館本身也有限高,商業量體過多問題,加上當地居民也抗議,所以也作罷

最後阿扁拍板定案,決定把巨蛋蓋在松山菸廠,但當時的省政府合作態度反覆不定,最後阿
扁時期的巨蛋就不了了之,到了1999年馬英九時期,台北市重回國民黨執政,而松山菸廠也
收歸國有財產局,中央也開始配合地方來孵這顆蛋了

詳細參考:
http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/wjwang1216/post/1064288
   
知道了大巨蛋選址簡單史
我們來談松山菸廠變成大巨蛋的預算細節
翻翻台北市2002年臺北市議會第八屆第八次定期大會的會議

俗話說的好,有圖有真相
馬英九市長市議會巨蛋預算專案報告001
http://i.imgur.com/ZHYJp3g.png


http://i.imgur.com/73z2hy2.png



字很多嗎?我幫大家畫一下重點

http://i.imgur.com/qleuu0G.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/1gIpNLP.jpg



簡單說明一下
松山菸廠這塊古蹟森林,總共18多公頃的土地,價值239億,中央的國有財產局歸屬
加上地上物的清理和拆除,指的就是樹和一些建築,要再多花9
所以總共248億

要蓋大巨蛋前,市政府就要跟中央買這塊地

怎麼買呢

台北市政府拿了信義區A21(市貿三館),中央估算價值104.49
拿去跟中央換松菸土地248億
但剩下的143億差額呢?

沒錯是重點就是馬英九的最後一段
"我們準備發行公債和賒借收入來彌平"
馬英九市長跟銀行借錢貸款
讓台北市舉債143億來買這塊土地

我們都知道,跟銀行借錢是要算利息的,如果以年利息1%來算
台北市民還必須要花大約1.4億去承擔這個利息

143億這麼大的財政缺口
市府又把一塊精華區換掉
遠雄的大巨蛋應該會回饋給台北市政府吧?




科科…




來看看我們能得到的部分

先談談土地租金的部分
在遠雄BOT合約寫到
http://i.imgur.com/ukwjFD2.png




"土地租金按當年公告地價百分之一計收/ 條文3.1"
土地租金是公告地價的百分之一
多少錢呢?

原本松山菸廠土地18.2公頃
遠雄大巨蛋體育用地佔10多公頃
(遠雄大巨蛋的公告地價地段地號 350-1、、355-1356-1體育園區)
我們依照台北市政府地政局網站的地價查詢系統
http://w2.land.taipei.gov.tw/query/prc/report_p_f.asp
http://i.imgur.com/nNWgAs7.jpg


整體公告地價金額乘上百分之一
換算出土地租金大約6700萬元左右

但在合約"如前述租金不足繳納依法應繳納之地價稅,應改按甲方所繳納之地價稅數額計收
租金。/ 條文3.2"

從遠雄收到的租金,市府只能拿去繳地價稅-.-
所以我們收到的租金是
(這麼佛心的地主要上哪找啊?)

可是遠雄蓋好多商辦百貨旅館,還有影城耶!
至少我們應該可以分到一些權利金吧








往下看前先深呼吸




因為這是最悲哀的一段


之前楊實秋談的富邦文創的權利金,至少還有0.5%營利權利金給台北市政府。

而我們的台北遠雄大巨蛋是

而我們的台北遠雄大巨蛋是0
             但我們的台北遠雄大巨蛋是0
                          但我們的台北遠雄大巨蛋是0
合約內容
http://i.imgur.com/3jFlB3T.png



再拿出台北市已簽BOT案件明細表 比較一下其他BOT案
http://i.imgur.com/KvdpOnu.jpg



如果富邦文創聽了會掉眼淚的話
台北大巨蛋應該是欲哭無淚吧?

為什麼0權利金這麼離譜的合約,當時的市府官員簽得下去?

我們拿出當初92年大巨蛋的原始合約和95年遠雄巨蛋BOT合約比較
http://i.imgur.com/xtTdnOr.jpg



原本合約是會討論權利金的分配

但因為遠雄獨家知道招標量體變更的資訊,

所以只有他們一家用零權利金來投標,

所以遠雄得標了

這不是圖利財團,甚麼才是圖利財團

難道這期間涉嫌利益輸送的過程,都不用調查嗎?

當然要查!!


但更可惡的還是在後頭
當我們要去台北市政府要議約的會議紀錄
台北市政府已因機密文件為由不能公開
連監察院去要都要不到(爛死了,廢掉算了)


好!我們做結論
我們花了248億買了一塊森林,其中花了9億拆光房子砍掉老樹,
然後每年都要跟銀行繳1.4億的利息
遠雄繳的土地租金,都只能拿去繳土地稅
最後遠雄從巨蛋賺走的錢,一毛都不會到台北市的口袋
然而這塊土地就這樣包給黑心遠雄50年

 ...

台北大巨蛋弊案,經過了八年
游先生一個人打官司,檢舉
直到去年一群因為護樹的志工朋友加入
一群瘋子在那堳搕F270
現在柯P上任後看到一些曙光

只能期望柯P能把這些所謂的”機密文件一一解密”


最後再回顧松菸的過去與現在
這是2003年的松菸森林(左下角空地是拆除的員工宿舍)
http://i.imgur.com/D03AxDx.jpg


這是2012年的松菸
http://i.imgur.com/HOuMf7L.jpg



松菸的森林年林超過70年以上
遠遠比大安森林公園還要年老50多歲
而且還多了重要的文史古蹟

說真的護樹團體不是大家想像的狂熱護樹
而是每一件砍樹案都有一個黑影在背後
更何況曾經美麗但消失的森林...

下次有機會的話可以再講
這誇張的合約裡頭是甚麼樣恐怖的內容?

而為什麼會是零權利金呢?這又是另一個故事了

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修正一下
剛剛有人來電 說我權利金部分寫錯了

是遠雄獨家知道招標量體變更的資訊,
只有他們一家用0權利金來投標,
所以不是議約後改的
在此修正

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噓 jpss: 爛                                                        01/14 20:19
→ foolfighter: 拜託有點常識,五十年的老巨蛋是能用喔?             01/14 20:19
→ UNG1: 200億且大部分跟銀行貸款的~槓桿玩很大標準建商模式          01/14 20:19
推 JAN1905T: 阿扁收錢不辨事,所以是貪污,KMT官商勾結,全民受害!!   01/14 20:20
推 dragoneminem:                                                   01/14 20:20
→ JAN1905T: 所以KMT是什麼?有誰因此被關?                           01/14 20:20
推 sggs: 唉                                                        01/14 20:20
→ foolfighter: 沒聽過這種賠錢沒有權利金的垃圾bot                  01/14 20:20
推 kazake: 還沒爆是怎麼樣                                          01/14 20:20
推 tieferozean: 高調推啊                                           01/14 20:21
推 homeaki: 推                                                     01/14 20:21
推 Mikuni: 幫高調!                                                01/14 20:21
推 rachelchiang: 推                                                01/14 20:21
噓 smiles0113: 玩很大 是賣房賺很大 你有聽過租金賺很大?             01/14 20:21
推 domo307: 不爽不要蓋阿                                           01/14 20:22
推 polemax: 推~                                                    01/14 20:22
推 korzen: 高調                                                    01/14 20:22
→ JAN1905T: BOT沒精算過,遠雄會接手?SMILES0113你是大雄的兒子?     01/14 20:22
噓 boyen3: 你太不了解KMT 當然先標BOT再號稱做到虧本擺爛 要政府出錢  01/14 20:22
推 MTal: 推                                                        01/14 20:23
→ boyen3: 所以才有造價四百億的事情 一開始不喊多一點未來怎麼跑劇   01/14 20:23
→ boyen3: 本? 又怎麼讓凱子政府拿納稅錢打水漂?                     01/14 20:23
推 foolfighter: 遠雄的品質撐得到五十年我懶趴切下來給你啦           01/14 20:23
推 aloba: Gj                                                       01/14 20:24
推 UNG1: 賣房當然賺很大但畢竟不是天天都好賣~租金是現金流穩定~      01/14 20:24
推 taihsin: .........                                              01/14 20:24
→ boyen3: F大 50年後你的覽趴大概也沒作用了 XD                     01/14 20:25
推 lupins: ...                                                     01/14 20:25
推 tonykingtwo: 扯                                                 01/14 20:25
推 kklibra: 推                                                     01/14 20:25
推 gs951117: 高調                                                  01/14 20:26
推 m1224cool: 這篇這麼詳細,要推爆啊!                             01/14 20:27
→ smiles0113: 金流穩定 就是長期投資 不適用高槓桿                  01/14 20:27
推 romusutoru: 推                                                  01/14 20:28
推 AquariusTACO: 幹 垃圾!!!!!! 我還記得以前還在菸廠打籃球阿阿阿阿  01/14 20:28
推 hoverfall:                                                      01/14 20:29
推 kuaiphoto: 高調!!巨蛋不是不好,只是有太多骯髒事了             01/14 20:30
推 ttsieg: 幹                                                      01/14 20:31
推 AquariusTACO: 幹 垃圾KMT 黑心建商遠雄                           01/14 20:31
推 pilifonbao: 推。                                                01/14 20:32
推 dragon2000: 推                                                  01/14 20:34
推 Syffence: 幹 事務官才沒這個膽這樣搞 怎麼想都是執政16年的垃圾黨  01/14 20:34
推 howisknight: 推                                                 01/14 20:38
推 ace4: 你的不自殺聲明…                                          01/14 20:38
推 summerqu4: 高調                                                 01/14 20:39
推 Nicemaker: 要活下去啊(〒︿〒)                                   01/14 20:39
推 bluelune: 推                                                    01/14 20:39
推 AJ831112: 高調                                                  01/14 20:41
推 kokonoe: 推                                                     01/14 20:41
推 wameme: 推                                                      01/14 20:42
推 bingchang: 高調                                                 01/14 20:43
推 tso1408579: 根本不是大巨蛋,是大弊案!                          01/14 20:44
推 babyMclaren: 擔心你                                             01/14 20:44
推 mouse4260: 鋪許                                                 01/14 20:45
推 eunice456:                                                      01/14 20:45
推 c10177: 高調                                                    01/14 20:47
推 bhenry1990: 阿扁下台                                            01/14 20:48
推 mk426375: 高調                                                  01/14 20:48
推 Symerna: 推                                                     01/14 20:49
推 jenuynehc: 生氣 ! 高調 !                                        01/14 20:49
推 sam0303: 原來政府這麼軟,難怪財團笑呵呵                         01/14 20:50
推 doodo1357: !!!                                                  01/14 20:51
推 miseru: 馬英九圖利財團, 坐勞去吧                                01/14 20:52
推 wingsfly: 高調,這不就是圖利財團嘛!!!                        01/14 20:52
推 byenewth: 政府房東好佛心 哪天賣個地給我 拜託                    01/14 20:52
推 leon82415: 狗黨                                                 01/14 20:52
推 fuku: 推                                                        01/14 20:53
推 teremy: 叮咚~查水表囉                                           01/14 20:55
推 FRX:                                                            01/14 20:55
推 Loraiba: 太誇張了  人神共憤                                     01/14 20:56
推 jetalpha: 推                                                    01/14 20:58
推 abcdefuvwxyz: 免費賺一塊地阿  只差沒地契而已                    01/14 20:58
推 peteryang199: 狗黨配黑心商 臺灣賣光光                           01/14 20:59
推 karenkao0330: 推文幫高調;(                                    01/14 21:01
推 germing: FB平台在呼喚你了                                       01/14 21:01
推 numlocka: 高調                                                  01/14 21:01
推 realitysida: 推                                                 01/14 21:03
推 lovetina: 國民黨不倒 台灣不會好                                 01/14 21:04
推 kingking0081: 推  可惡的國民黨                                  01/14 21:06
推 catmia: 黑心蛋                                                  01/14 21:06
推 stewartqq: 難怪要先搞倒高鐵bot,政府賠錢在ot給單一財團          01/14 21:06
推 boggae: 推                                                      01/14 21:06
推 feedback: 推                                                    01/14 21:07
→ stewartqq: 權利金就當個人佣金這樣給                             01/14 21:07
推 wike: 真的要推廣醫護人員-拒醫惡人的概念 讓病痛懲罰劣政商公職    01/14 21:08
推 kenro: 台灣的BOT真的是最大笑話 用國家之力把資源送給財團玩50年   01/14 21:08
→ kenro: 開發錢要國家出 還要幫忙融資借貸 人家營運失敗了也要買回   01/14 21:09
推 tn00710191: 這種賠錢生意竟然還可以走到今天哦 太扯了啦 幫高調    01/14 21:10
→ kenro: 而投標的用低利向國銀借錢 還能賺土地開發最後拍拍屁股走人  01/14 21:11
推 pastoris: 台南的中正公園跟最近奇美博物館的巴克禮公園            01/14 21:11
→ tn00710191: 根本官商勾結吧 那麼明顯...我不相信前兩任市長是蠢貨  01/14 21:12
→ pastoris: 有生態與老樹很美麗的公園 前者是清朝的練馬場遺留的     01/14 21:12
推 wike: 醫師宣言內容一段:我將要憑我的良心和尊嚴從事醫業          01/14 21:13
→ pastoris: 說實在的 捷運都拉到桃園去了 巨蛋為何要蓋在市中心 ?    01/14 21:13
→ pastoris: 樹一拔光後 整個城市的品質大幅下降                     01/14 21:14
推 wizer: 幫推                                                     01/14 21:14
→ pastoris: 倫敦可沒人敢動海德皇家公園...                         01/14 21:14
→ wike: 醫治不良政商公職 不符合良心與尊嚴                         01/14 21:14
推 germing: 有的案子太大 柯ㄧ個人辦不了 民進黨執政後聯合府院黨ㄧ   01/14 21:16
→ wike: 公家單位的醫護及掛號人員 雖然沒能挑病人 但遇到這類病患    01/14 21:16
→ germing: 起辦下去較妥當 先搜集證據 花個ㄧ年時間暗中搞清哪些市   01/14 21:17
→ germing: 府員工有坐牢的潛能                                     01/14 21:17
推 cryinow: 黑心蛋 掰                                              01/14 21:17
→ wike: 就放慢動作 慢慢的掛號 慢慢的給藥 都慢慢的就是了           01/14 21:18
推 slsfox: 推                                                      01/14 21:19
推 germing: 如果2016選舉國民黨沒動手腳的話啦 唉 ㄧ切還難說         01/14 21:19
推 Moratti: 高調 一定要把這些真相公開 相關人等關到死               01/14 21:20
噓 terry910333: 噓明顯 沒考慮建造巨蛋成本 難道要公司白蓋?          01/14 21:22
→ terry910333: 若花500億蓋 賺多也合理 主要是看花多少錢蓋          01/14 21:23
推 mnweas: 樓上,商業量體都70%了,叫白蓋喔?分些權利金會死嗎          01/14 21:24
推 qphone: 推                                                      01/14 21:24
→ ciswww: 權利金多寡基本上又是個美河市案,計算過程會導致市府分回  01/14 21:26
→ ciswww: 價值極少。                                              01/14 21:26
推 pecin826: 高調                                                  01/14 21:26
推 patoo: 遠雄花2、300億還包含他商業區好幾棟 錢一半還銀行借來的    01/14 21:29
→ patoo: 好幾百億的土地50年免費借你拿去賺錢 誰簽的約              01/14 21:30
推 carbbalaa: 推                                                   01/14 21:31
推 xunhuiwu: E04                                                   01/14 21:31
→ ciswww: 建物興建成本高估,營收低估,這樣市府分回價值就會低      01/14 21:32
推 fonitin: 高調推!                                               01/14 21:39
推 utoo: Push                                                      01/14 21:41
推 qppqqp: 推~不辦沒關希反正丟臉也不差這一次~越看越火              01/14 21:41
推 king22649: 推                                                   01/14 21:42
推 elfishchild: 一堆垃圾                                           01/14 21:43
推 teapot43: 很誇張...推                                           01/14 21:43
推 Sunni: 超扯....                                                 01/14 21:47
推 RuruX5566: 黑                                                   01/14 21:49
推 happy8366: pushhhhh                                             01/14 21:52
推 HowieH: 高調                                                    01/14 21:52
推 filix9237: 幹這超扯啊!!!!高調                                   01/14 21:53
推 ABCmart: 高調推                                                 01/14 21:54
推 Jexpect: 高調,各種圖利財團的kmt                                01/14 21:54
推 amadda: 看了真的讓人發火,現在直接解約才是對台北市最有利的      01/14 21:56
推 dearjohn: 高調+1 這真的是太離譜了,怪不得護樹會時不敢派人來。   01/14 21:58
推 jhss: 附一下不自殺聲名比較好                                    01/14 21:58
推 noneed2argue: 推                                                01/14 22:00
推 Dulcia: 扯到爆                                                  01/14 22:03
推 VTsuyoshi: 推                                                   01/14 22:06
推 tskcuit: 再推                                                   01/14 22:09
推 Roxmass: 幫高調!                                                01/14 22:10
推 ctes940008: 高調                                                01/14 22:13
推 pobea: 幫高調!!!                                             01/14 22:14
推 memories66:                                                     01/14 22:14
→ cs91358: 幹                                                     01/14 22:18
推 Cityfrighten: wow                                               01/14 22:21
推 comicboy37: 高調                                                01/14 22:24
→ b9211173: 所以說蓋這句但是要幹嘛? 政府出錢只幫遠雄賺錢嗎?       01/14 22:26
推 ntustce: 讓他爆                                                 01/14 22:26
推 ching620: 國民黨不倒,台灣不會好(這就是國民黨的歷史定位)        01/14 22:30
推 betabei: 高調                                                   01/14 22:31
推 ching620: 重點目前市府裡的小門神們要快點清一清                  01/14 22:32
推 nxxi: 一定推                                                    01/14 22:34
推 v520781: 狗熊掰掰                                               01/14 22:35
噓 LuckyBee: KMT                                                   01/14 22:37
推 nkaf61: 所以... 台灣需要大巨蛋 為什麼不讓國家中央來蓋就好?     01/14 22:39
推 lefan: 看了就知道 這之間到底有多少利益輸送                      01/14 22:40
推 BAGeo: 推                                                       01/14 22:40
推 glady1217: 高調                                                 01/14 22:41
推 jas78901: 高調                                                  01/14 22:43
推 ewqewq123123: 我相信還有更多,加油,揭開遠雄巨蛋神秘面紗        01/14 22:44
推 xeckoe04: 幫高調                                                01/14 22:45
推 solomonABC: 你要不要發一下不自殺聲明...  等等被查水表           01/14 22:49
推 LCamel: 感謝好文!! 補google地球 http://youtu.be/dyxwwHtgkeQ
     01/14 22:49
推 ewqewq123123: 我知道媒體的習慣啦,推爆的上新聞,新聞都片段資訊  01/14 22:50
→ ewqewq123123: 但是我還是想一次看完整個黑幕,1次看完完整訊息     01/14 22:51
→ ewqewq123123: 還是黑幕多到報紙放不下,鄉民直接end,所以才1段1段   01/14 22:52
推 klimpan:                                                        01/14 23:07
推 orz151426: 今天看到姓趙的講的憂國憂民,大巨蛋不蓋台灣會在世界   01/14 23:13
→ orz151426: 丟臉;不知道誰才令台灣丟臉                           01/14 23:13
推 teybend: 跪求柯P去仔細查辦阿 !!!!!!                             01/14 23:21
推 eowa: 國民黨幹你娘                                              01/14 23:24
推 t56874123: 說到最後...一切都是手揮一揮的郝伯伯種下的因啊.....   01/14 23:33
推 hipringles: 太猛了                                              01/14 23:35
推 asea: 好大一塊地 0租金0權利金 超爽的Der~~~~~                    01/14 23:38
推 TIGER228: KMT必須死                                             01/14 23:39
→ frankie30432: 支那狗黨真的把台灣搞很慘                          01/14 23:39
推 unreal29: 高調,護樹志工真的辛苦了                              01/14 23:39
推 johnny12728: 太扯了吧                                           01/14 23:39
推 MermaidFA: 推                                                   01/14 23:47
推 kevinet7410: 狗黨不倒 台灣不好                                  01/14 23:58
推 canappeco: 推                                                   01/15 00:07
→ mtwtfss: 高調                                                   01/15 00:15
推 killerjack: 推                                                  01/15 00:17
推 Sprout:                                                         01/15 00:22
推 lucy07030703: 誇張欸!!!!                                        01/15 00:23
推 OEC100: 還好是柯當選了                                          01/15 00:30
推 Tribbiani: 可惡!真是讓人火大!                                   01/15 00:30
推 bismarcklin: 高調                                               01/15 00:37
→ kt102441: 馬英九真是敗家子                                      01/15 00:43
推 PAULVC: ....                                                    01/15 00:53
推 atxone: 十六年爛帳………原PO要小心,沒事發文以保安康。          01/15 01:00
推 HNO3: KMT真幹他媽的有夠扯                                       01/15 01:01
推 goldflower: 幹你娘kmt出門被車撞  進門死全家                     01/15 01:14
推 sleepa:                                                         01/15 01:19
推 adifdtd: 這不是敗家子  這是官商勾結  爽自己死別人               01/15 01:30
推 lanecarbot: 超扯,記者快抄阿                                    01/15 01:50
推 plan1: 記者沒種抄的啦!                                          01/15 01:51
推 peterpankk: 幹你娘   這不該上街嗎   馬郝躲起來吃洨喔            01/15 01:55
推 atsea: 高調推 快把這些人抓去關                                  01/15 02:08
推 lolicat: 幫高                                                   01/15 02:16
推 joe2233: 高調                                                   01/15 02:20
推 ne579: 萬事小心                                                 01/15 02:47
推 s4552752: 推                                                    01/15 03:13
推 hipnos: 幫高調!! 太扯了!!                                       01/15 03:20
噓 bimmers0: 因此,馬囧自然有能力,把國產轉歸財團,好棒棒!        01/15 06:12
→ bimmers0: 所以,這不抓去關,啥才要抓去關?                      01/15 06:12
推 justagay: 精闢解說!!謝謝你們!                                   01/15 07:24
→ cwc0709: 那位打官司的游先生能活到現在,算是遠雄良心未泯嗎= ="   01/15 07:32
推 iuanz: kmt餓八年搞的跟餓八十年一樣,只要有機會就海撈,把大家當  01/15 07:37
→ iuanz: 瞎子                                                     01/15 07:37
推 ericugly: 幫高調                                                01/15 07:39
推 userpeter: 高調                                                 01/15 07:46
推 sparkle: 好扯                                                   01/15 07:50
推 kaku216: 貪污的全部抓出來去關 不要在護航了很難看                01/15 07:57
推 elinna0917: 推                                                  01/15 08:05
推 ateate: 高調                                                    01/15 08:19
推 iamsandyliu: 高調                                               01/15 08:31
推 venroxas: 太扯 幫高調                                           01/15 08:45
推 fujkokwj: KMT不倒 台灣不會好 各種撈各種賣 官商勾結 賤賣國產..   01/15 08:58
推 share8426: KMT再不倒 台灣先死掉                                 01/15 09:04
推 imnio: 高調                                                     01/15 09:13
推 smonkey: WTF........                                            01/15 09:29
推 KASUGAOSAKA: 郝冰冰到底收了多少                                 01/15 09:32
推 rock0747: KMT幹你娘                                             01/15 09:46
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