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 作者  aaaba (小強)                                           看板  Gossiping 
 標題  Re: [爆卦] 關於國產高端我們了解多少                                    
 時間  Fri May 28 07:30:41 2021                                               
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※ 引述《f1317913 (菠蘿貓)》之銘言:
: 缺點就是
: 二期四千人左右的確可能還不足以觀察到罕見副作用的問題
: 關於實際保護力的數字目前無法證明

高端怎樣我不清楚

但是政府為了疫苗做了什麼,你我要搞清楚。

https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aipl/202104070161.aspx

[新聞] 衛福部修疫苗受害救濟 邱顯智:不應由接種者舉證

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簡單說,過去接受疫苗,有不良反應的情況下

政府要證明無關,才不用補償。

而衛生福利部2月公告修法,對於在無關情形

增訂「醫學實證未支持其關聯性

法修了之後

對於那些接種規模不大的藥商,不良反應與疫苗的因果關係為何,沒人知道

你不良反應個案受害者在那邊哭,不會有人理你

請自己舉證、自己去做醫學研究

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推 sustainer123: 個案 嘻嘻                         223.136.243.233 05/28 07:31
推 Piyada: 哇                                         1.200.58.132 05/28 07:31
→ Piyada: 這個一定要高調                             1.200.58.132 05/28 07:31
推 AustinRivers: 小心認知作戰                          39.10.4.158 05/28 07:31
推 bellas: 狀況不一樣 急                            114.36.136.243 05/28 07:32
推 Paulsic: 舉證之所在敗訴之所在別鬧了              101.137.10.128 05/28 07:32
→ Nexpring: 衛福部,哈哈哈                         123.194.15.231 05/28 07:32
推 tiger508: ㄛㄛㄛㄛ                                42.74.158.255 05/28 07:33
推 beepuffer: 難怪要死再多人,也要等八月國慘疫苗   175.181.213.173 05/28 07:33
推 aa52189: 前面那篇還在護航真D好笑                 223.141.87.171 05/28 07:33
推 HD0621: 跟黨走一輩子                              1.200.157.196 05/28 07:33
推 king22649: 原來是整套都ㄙㄟ好的啊               114.136.134.226 05/28 07:33
推 f1317913: 只是你確定是為了高端做的嗎?             114.137.40.97 05/28 07:34
推 tiawiare: 這法案真的屌,果然是綠能共產黨        114.137.239.172 05/28 07:34
推 Piyada: 推爆 高調 人命關天                         1.200.58.132 05/28 07:34
→ king22649: 誰舉證誰敗訴 讚喔                    114.136.134.226 05/28 07:34
→ dostey: 這個言論很中國!難怪這些舔共很黑皮        111.71.212.245 05/28 07:34
→ f1317913: 不過這篇很重要 還好有時代力量注意到     114.137.40.97 05/28 07:34
推 beepuffer: 這篇一定要推到爆,各大媒體快來抄啊   175.181.213.173 05/28 07:34
推 Paulsic: 論就是你自己身體有病                    101.137.10.128 05/28 07:35
推 aa52189: 高調                                    223.141.87.171 05/28 07:35
推 sandr36: 先推                                     49.216.26.129 05/28 07:35
推 Piyada:                                            1.200.58.132 05/28 07:35
推 zero307: 難怪要等八月……                        118.169.163.52 05/28 07:36
推 king22649: 發大財                               114.136.134.226 05/28 07:36
推 asdqw: 食安的判決表示                            115.43.251.172 05/28 07:36
→ Piyada: 高調借轉fb                                 1.200.58.132 05/28 07:36
→ Paulsic: 確定這邊不是假新聞嗎                    101.137.10.128 05/28 07:36
→ zainc: 國賠阿~政府敢讓人打2期疫苗就要有膽賠阿~     1.161.243.38 05/28 07:37
→ Paulsic: 造謠要罰300                             101.137.10.128 05/28 07:37
推 ttrreeee: 原來如此                                183.192.56.63 05/28 07:38
推 f1317913: 要指出這問題可以 可是我認為不應該直     114.137.40.97 05/28 07:38
→ f1317913: 接定罪在高端身上直接做有罪推定論        114.137.40.97 05/28 07:38
推 a7891: 怕爆                                       112.64.68.198 05/28 07:38
→ mazii: 300                                       111.241.35.247 05/28 07:38
→ zzahoward: 我覺得這不能推到高端議題上面          36.229.164.112 05/28 07:38

OK,改成聚焦法規本身

推 KillerMoDo: 這好像有點潮啊                       114.35.213.217 05/28 07:38
推 bighorse0: 不愧是民進黨                            114.46.57.42 05/28 07:38
推 rblovetw: 一邊是政府、財團,一邊是老百姓          49.216.175.62 05/28 07:38
推 Ceferino: 又在放水了,一路走來都是這樣噁耶      123.192.235.113 05/28 07:38
推 king22649: 放水囉                               114.136.134.226 05/28 07:38
→ rblovetw: 弱勢的一方提出證明,讚                  49.216.175.62 05/28 07:39
推 Tiphareth: 數據都拿不出來 這樣的指控有這種疑慮    111.82.198.27 05/28 07:39
→ bighorse0: 請舉證這個修法跟高端的關聯              114.46.57.42 05/28 07:39
→ Tiphareth: 不覺得有何不妥                         111.82.198.27 05/28 07:39
→ dostey: 這篇推文依舊很中國 狗~ 各縣市目前做法不  111.71.212.245 05/28 07:39
推 f1317913: 去找出這件事情是怎樣發生的 如何修正     114.137.40.97 05/28 07:39
→ f1317913:   回來才是最重要的                      114.137.40.97 05/28 07:39
推 shinkiro: 台鐵出軌應該也要由受害者舉證是嗎綠共     101.10.8.128 05/28 07:40
→ king22649: 修正回來 哈哈哈 抱歉 哈哈哈          114.136.134.226 05/28 07:40
→ f1317913: 我真的很不喜歡什麼都直接牽扯在一起 這   114.137.40.97 05/28 07:40
→ king22649: 太幽默了 夢裡都有                    114.136.134.226 05/28 07:40
推 mave0: 怕                                         39.10.130.148 05/28 07:40
→ f1317913: 修法不會得利於其他疫苗產生的問題嗎      114.137.40.97 05/28 07:40
→ bighorse0: 因為國會最大黨是民進黨所以發生          114.46.57.42 05/28 07:40
推 xager: 上台前就跟說啦!最挺生技產業的政黨          27.53.161.91 05/28 07:40
推 orange7: 叫你吃死了自己去驗屍驗食材,哇操,這   114.136.217.231 05/28 07:41
→ bighorse0: 下架民進黨來修正                        114.46.57.42 05/28 07:41
→ orange7: 麼奴嗎?有夠垃圾                       114.136.217.231 05/28 07:41
推 lianhua: 民進黨現在就是用人民的命換黨跟財團的利  114.45.220.185 05/28 07:41
推 shamus2007: !!                                   101.9.25.179 05/28 07:41
→ king22649: 只算圖利廠商 削弱弱勢吧 哈哈哈       114.136.134.226 05/28 07:41
推 Big78: 相忍為國 ㄏㄏ                             180.217.14.226 05/28 07:41
推 kmshy: 高調                                         42.74.17.77 05/28 07:42
推 poolo: 這個扯誒                                  67.170.157.244 05/28 07:42
→ zzahoward: 國外確實很多人體試驗訟棍 會影響進度   36.229.164.112 05/28 07:42
※ 編輯: aaaba (116.89.130.153 臺灣), 05/28/2021 07:43:40
推 Turas: 扯耶                                        49.216.43.49 05/28 07:42
推 winiS: 修這種法,想幹嘛很明顯了…                 1.174.167.252 05/28 07:42
推 tingover: 確實誇張 一般民眾是要怎麼舉證         223.140.157.129 05/28 07:42
推 ghghfftjack: 他沒說高端吧                          27.52.103.11 05/28 07:43
推 zz5280: 高調 噁心                                  114.34.107.4 05/28 07:43
推 wcheng19: 推                                       1.200.252.90 05/28 07:43
推 wafone: 817看好了                                   27.52.37.76 05/28 07:43
推 CHOCATS5566: 這是小祕密你懂嗎                    27.247.126.223 05/28 07:43
→ zzahoward: 他把國產疫苗牽扯進去 我覺得不行       36.229.164.112 05/28 07:43
推 jenchunyang: 推                                    36.228.5.245 05/28 07:43
推 kinve1014: 要百姓自行舉證真它媽的智障法           36.229.166.43 05/28 07:44
推 windcounter: 民進黨真會照顧特地廠商              123.192.68.216 05/28 07:44
→ zzahoward: 當然法條有討論空間 判決者的素養問題   36.229.164.112 05/28 07:44
推 soulboy330: 真的是屌爆了                          180.217.2.211 05/28 07:44
推 arabeske: 發大財!不是你,是黨!                   110.26.41.64 05/28 07:44
→ zzahoward: 是最重要的關鍵 但扯到疫苗上會模糊     36.229.164.112 05/28 07:44
→ zzahoward: 最重要的是法官要怎麼有這方面素養      36.229.164.112 05/28 07:45
推 nutrino: 笑死惹 韭菜就是要乖乖被收割啊            122.121.62.69 05/28 07:45
推 Ceferino: 全民公測路早就幫鋪好了,嘻嘻          123.192.235.113 05/28 07:45
推 tist: 蟑螂:不打國產就是中共同路人                118.160.13.26 05/28 07:45
推 Piyada: 真的很無奈                                 1.200.58.132 05/28 07:45
推 jmone: 推                                        114.45.150.132 05/28 07:45
推 ahone10: 舉證(X),假消息(O)                          1.165.55.28 05/28 07:46
推 Paulsic: 難怪蟑螂昨天瘋狂攻擊PG                  101.137.10.128 05/28 07:46
→ rogergon: 防堵疫苗出事賠償倒是很會超前佈署         1.163.50.215 05/28 07:46
推 CYL009: 台灣人歡喜 民進黨沒有錯                    1.200.23.131 05/28 07:46
→ rererere147: 靠北喔 這怎麼舉證                    101.9.177.167 05/28 07:47
推 oidkk: 高調                                     111.250.108.175 05/28 07:47
推 tingover: zz根本不知道舉證責任多重要吧 不是針   223.140.157.129 05/28 07:47
→ tingover: 對高端更慘 老百姓看好自己就是韭菜     223.140.157.129 05/28 07:47
→ zzahoward: 要怎麼把專家納入體系做判定很重要      36.229.164.112 05/28 07:47
推 fickleness: 高調推                               223.137.88.216 05/28 07:47
→ zzahoward: 因為國外就真的很多人體試驗訟棍阿      36.229.164.112 05/28 07:48
推 PlayPtt: 一條龍                                  58.115.225.207 05/28 07:48
推 romeie06: 嘻嘻 反正國產我不會打  等你們打完沒出   49.217.49.117 05/28 07:48
→ romeie06: 事我在講                                49.217.49.117 05/28 07:48
→ tingover: 國外你修國內法 對人民真的有超前部署   223.140.157.129 05/28 07:49
→ tingover: 喔                                    223.140.157.129 05/28 07:49
推 AK00627: 不要太不滿                              220.129.58.120 05/28 07:49
推 menshuei: 對啊,如果今程序不完備,有問題還是要     1.161.69.132 05/28 07:49
推 king22649: 訟棍拖延?我以為現在拖延到八月的是政 114.136.134.226 05/28 07:49
→ menshuei: 進行賠償吧,畢竟不完備在先阿。           1.161.69.132 05/28 07:49
推 Piyada:                                            1.200.58.132 05/28 07:49
→ king22649: 府欸 我有誤會啥嗎?                  114.136.134.226 05/28 07:49
推 Birthday5566: 挖塞                                1.165.217.251 05/28 07:50
推 takeda0727: 高調                                223.139.106.158 05/28 07:50
推 andre9: 這是真的 疫苗又沒客服                    211.72.124.237 05/28 07:50
推 EJseven: 高調                                    114.46.105.132 05/28 07:50
推 love5945: 這誰給它過的...                         42.73.221.252 05/28 07:50
推 BBQOO: 哇                                         36.230.97.163 05/28 07:50
推 mkai: 高調                                        42.73.146.227 05/28 07:51
推 mainjoey: 呵呵 一條龍作業                         36.231.135.90 05/28 07:51
推 mymicos: 看到了,政府果然有在做事 嘻嘻            49.216.65.208 05/28 07:51
推 tzzback: 高調推,有夠垃圾                        111.240.98.207 05/28 07:52
推 jenny: 推                                         111.82.110.34 05/28 07:52
推 pouca: 原來在鋪路喔                                27.242.41.89 05/28 07:53
推 bodielu: 推                                       211.75.115.73 05/28 07:53
推 Halleffect: 推                                      42.74.1.250 05/28 07:54
推 KIKUSUI: 讚啦 綠共吃屎啦                        223.136.220.151 05/28 07:54
→ jk1982: 連保護法都準備好了,護航高端疫苗夠顯了    1.200.249.185 05/28 07:54
推 nature1021: 推                                     61.62.195.12 05/28 07:54
推 Paulsic: 樓下那篇自刪了最大贏家就是討厭民進黨有  101.137.10.128 05/28 07:54
→ Paulsic: 空在家上八卦看這麼多骯髒事              101.137.10.128 05/28 07:54
推 ceros: 疫苗技術很難                                111.71.86.49 05/28 07:54
推 PhilHughes: 黨就是想撈錢,擋人財路的都是中共同    1.200.133.214 05/28 07:54
→ PhilHughes: 路人                                  1.200.133.214 05/28 07:54
推 gialon12: 推                                     223.137.222.76 05/28 07:55
推 supisces: 高端跟聯亞都適用,但只有高端上櫃        172.218.53.43 05/28 07:55
推 y30048: 這麼早就在鋪路啦                            36.228.5.44 05/28 07:55
推 vcLong: 現在真的是共產党執政                     223.141.30.254 05/28 07:56
推 fulongb210f:  讚這是真的嗎?                        61.61.79.18 05/28 07:56
噓 YOYOBOYhttp://i.imgur.com/POZ1KDl.jpg

          115.165.193.46 05/28 07:56
推 Piyada:                                            1.200.58.132 05/28 07:56
推 amb: 高調高調高調                                  1.34.180.168 05/28 07:57
推 clw8: !                                          39.12.195.174 05/28 07:57
推 miyatsuki: 高調!                               103.239.204.209 05/28 07:57
→ Gamelop: 但反過來說如果沒有醫學實證,證明沒關聯    49.216.143.12 05/28 07:57
推 skizard: 大家好自為之                              49.216.62.62 05/28 07:57
→ Gamelop: 性還是能求償吧?                         49.216.143.12 05/28 07:57
→ LENMAN: 還是中國疫苗好,趕快開放打起來              42.72.8.175 05/28 07:58
推 xoxiandy: 驚                                    120.106.151.163 05/28 07:58
推 KAIXA666: 推                                      59.125.97.180 05/28 07:58
推 dorachen69: 你錢也沒有準備好                     59.124.246.207 05/28 07:58
推 rated: 真的假的?疫苗商不就無敵吃了無敵大星星      110.30.81.24 05/28 07:58
→ rated: 了嗎?                                      110.30.81.24 05/28 07:58
推 k092236: 大家加油吧 自立自強                      27.53.163.167 05/28 07:58
推 peacedream: 個案                                   101.10.61.50 05/28 07:59
推 smallclean: 高調                                114.136.180.145 05/28 07:59
推 sggs: 認吱作戰啦                                101.136.209.229 05/28 07:59
推 abbag: 高調                                     223.140.146.238 05/28 07:59
→ rated: 那快叫范婦出來,她不是強調打了有問題誰      110.30.81.24 05/28 07:59
→ rated: 負責嗎?                                    110.30.81.24 05/28 07:59
推 uller: 蛤                                       114.137.167.189 05/28 07:59
推 psypoorer: 高調                                   27.53.136.160 05/28 08:00
推 sekai: 民眾要怎麼自行舉證?誇張                  118.169.220.27 05/28 08:00
推 momo1115: 垃圾                                    36.235.41.171 05/28 08:00
推 SKY3064: 高調                                   223.137.200.234 05/28 08:00
推 lolucky531: 推                                     101.12.79.68 05/28 08:00
推 archereva: 推                                     111.71.75.235 05/28 08:00
推 endlesskarma: 幫高端舖好路了 你各位賤民免費幫忙 118.150.164.105 05/28 08:01
→ endlesskarma: 人體實驗 出事後果自負啊           118.150.164.105 05/28 08:01
推 tsubasawolfy: 這個就要立委去幫了                   114.47.85.17 05/28 08:01
推 gn22431347: 環環相扣讚讚大家準備被割起來了嗎      112.78.64.129 05/28 08:02
推 dahlia7357: 這法規感覺就是為了今年準備          118.167.154.127 05/28 08:02
推 Paulsic: 當白老鼠還不給錢白嫖                    101.137.10.128 05/28 08:02
→ s9234032: 哦 這個我有印象 那我應該會拒打            61.228.94.8 05/28 08:02
推 waponline: 不要太不滿                           118.169.226.229 05/28 08:02
推 thepstar: 原來時代有做事 新聞沒報                  98.229.57.77 05/28 08:02
推 archereva: 推                                     111.71.75.235 05/28 08:02
→ s9234032: 巖重倫理問題還敢硬上                      61.228.94.8 05/28 08:02
推 LoliCar: 衛福部 嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔                    49.216.76.153 05/28 08:02
推 smdf: 推                                         220.138.25.101 05/28 08:03
推 seeYou: 高調                                       61.65.120.37 05/28 08:03
推 xager: 自己花點錢做二三期人體實驗就可以舉證了      27.53.161.91 05/28 08:03
→ endlesskarma: 高端付白老鼠每人兩萬 加買高額保險 118.150.164.105 05/28 08:03
→ endlesskarma:  遊民排隊搶著打                   118.150.164.105 05/28 08:03
→ xager: 民進黨大概是這個想法吧                      27.53.161.91 05/28 08:03
推 soarling: 哇靠 高調                             114.137.145.139 05/28 08:03
推 satonoo: 馬的 這真的有點過分耶 早就在計畫了        219.68.58.49 05/28 08:03
→ endlesskarma: 否則免談                          118.150.164.105 05/28 08:03
推 imega: 高調                                        49.216.54.40 05/28 08:03
推 Lmkcat: 哇靠                                     114.136.90.153 05/28 08:03


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